Transcript of Hopi Elders on Art Bell Talk Show, June 16, 1998

In June of 1998 radio talk show host Art Bell announced that three “Hopi Elders” had contacted him,
asking for an opportunity to come on the air. Bell said they told him that “what they were seeing was so
close they no longer had any choice.”

The following transcript was retrieved in June 1998 from Art Bell’s web site:

GF1=Grandfather 1, GF2=Grandfather 2 – younger, translated for GF1,
GM =Grandmother, GW=Robert Ghost Wolf

AB: Good morning, everybody. I'm Art Bell and if we get our phones hooked up right, and we've
just had a disconnect problem, we are going to, in this half hour, have two Hopi Elders on the
program. We've never tried this before. Unfortunately, we just got a disconnect and we're getting
a busy signal trying to get back through. So, bear with us. We will have all this connected
shortly. We DO have Robert Ghost Wolf on the line from, I believe, one of the Dakotas. We'll find
out about that in a moment and he'll give us kind of a preamble to what's going to happen.

AB: Here we go. This has never been tried on national radio before, so anything may happen
here, folks. I have no idea. First, we are going to go to Robert Ghost Wolf, who is out somewhere
in the Dakotas. Where ARE you, Robert?

GW: I'm in the Black Hills.

AB: Black Hills. Of North Dakota?

GW: South Dakota. I'm here with the family. It's Pow-Wow time. We're just all here together, and
I'm going to be talking to some other Elders up here, possibly, about getting together with us.

AB: Would you explain to us?..uh, we are about to hear two Hopi Elders. We are not going to
give their real names on the air. We are going to call them "Grandfather 1", "Grandfather 2", and
"Grandmother Hopi." Why are we doing this?

GW: There has already been a lot of controversy about these Elders stepping out and speaking
like this, to the world, and they have had some threats made against them already, so we are
taking precautions to make sure that they're safe. I hope the people can understand this. And, I
also hope that people understand that these people are not professional speakers or lecturers.
We're going to do the best we can to make this run smoothly, as soon as we get the phone lines
hooked up again.

AB: All right. I think we ARE hooked up. Anyway, that is the explanation. There HAVE been

GW: It's very dangerous for something like this to happen and it's very unusual for Elders to
come out and speak like this. The thing is, we've hit a point, in our progression through these
changes, where it's important to get the news out. It's important for the children of the world. It's
important for all of us to hear what they have been trying to say, now, for many, many years.

AB: All right. Let's see if we can get the hook-up going here. I believe we're going to Phoenix,
Arizona and let's see if we have Grandfather 2 on the line with us. Hello?

GF2: Hello!

AB: Yes, hello there.

GF2: Hi!

AB: I hear you just fine.

GF2: OK.

AB: Thank you for coming on the air tonight. You are going to give us information, Grandfather
2, and also translate for us? that correct?

GF2: Yes.

AB: OK. I think that my first question?..if I may ask the first question?..and Robert, you're
welcome to ask one any time you'd like. I would like to ask Grandfather 1 why he has come
forward in public at this time?

GF2: {Asks GF1 in Hopi language, then translates.}

GF1: {Answers in Hopi language.} It is our time to bring forth the message into the world. It has
been taught to us by our Elders, from way back. That is why I have chosen to step forward and
bring out the message today. There are people out there who are leading two lives?..who are
there to stop us from putting forth the message, but it is the Elders, that taught us the wisdom,
that are telling us to do this now for you and the rest of the world.

AB: With regard to what may be changing, Earth changes, is the time now very short?
GF2: {Asks, then translates.} It is time for the end times here, that was prophesied and through
the dreams that were given to us also. Through those dreams, we are learning that we are getting
very close to the end times.

AB: Might we ask how old Grandfather 1 is? His age?

GF2: {Asks?} Seventy-five. 75 years old.

AB: 75 years old. And, how old are the prophecies that we are talking about now?

GF2: {Asks?} He doesn't know exactly what the age of these teachings are. He says they were
given to them before Christ. It is mainly by word of mouth that it has been handed down.

AB: How does Grandfather feel about the accuracy of the word that has been handed down?
Many people dispute the Bible and whether or not IT is accurate. With regard to Hopi prophecy,
how does HE feel about the accuracy of the prophecy?

GF2: {Asks?} From the time when Yukioma was the chief, he had been carrying this message. But
mainly the message had been carried forth by word of mouth. The accuracy had to deal with
how well each individual that was given the opportunity to maintain the exactness of the
prophecies. They were all given this prophecy, so they all had to meet at least once or twice a
year, in the Kivas, where they would actually sit down and go back through that. One person
would talk about the prophecies, and if he ever so much as added something to it or left
something out, then the rest of the group would know that part of the prophecies was missing.
So, they would tell him, "Well, you didn't say this one here," or "You added this to it." So, that is
how this was kept alive through word of mouth and everyone had to remember just what those
prophecies were about.

AB: Is Grandfather, or are you and others now having many dreams indicating that indeed these
are the end times beginning to unfold?

GF2: {Asks?} Yes, I have dreamed about these things and that's how a lot of them are coming
about and they are true.

AB: Uh, Robert? Help me out here?

GW: He would probably be willing to share any of his visions of what he see coming in the
immediate future.

GF2: I can't hear you, Robert.

AB: OK, the question is, would Grandfather care to share any specific details of the dreams that
he has had about what may be coming soon?

GF2: {Asks?} It wasn't exactly through the dreams. The dreams were part of the teachings that he
knows and having to understand the exactness of the prophecies themselves. He had to go out
and do a lot of prayers. And then, he would go and do this and was doing this for a whole year.
Within a year's time, he had kind of lost interest in the giving of the prophecies to him, because
he hadn't received anything. So, he decided to quit for awhile. Finally, within a few months, he
decided to go back to his prayers and he would go out and pray. Within four year's time, he
started receiving a lot of information. So, that is how most of his information was
received?..through asking?..prayer.

AB: Could we please ask why he has decided to share it with the rest of the world? This is
something that has not been done before, so why has he decided to share this with us?

GF2: {Asks?} Through the Elder's teachings and wishes. The Elders wanted to let this become
public at a time when we were close to the end times. So, he had decided to take this upon
himself to let go of these things, in hopes that there would be a number of people that would
understand and realize what is going on and start praying. We ARE very close to it and we are,
right now, going through hard times. He wants to set some people aside?..their lives? that
some lives may be spared.

AB: That was going to be my next question, Grandfather, and that is, if you would ask
Grandfather 1 whether prayer, whether becoming spiritual of nature, can or will change any of
what is coming?

GF2: {Asks?} It's not a matter of quick change. If you wanted to change now and change your life
around and do your prayers, it will help a little in the alleviation of much terrible outcome from
the cataclysms. There is a lot in store for all of us and the intensity of this will be a lot less if we
can all settle down and behave and not be in the way of the actions we have right now? we
are all being corrupt. That has to be taken care of. We have to keep ourselves from being
corrupted by anything from the outside.

AB: All right. We are going to stop for a moment, now, so everybody relax. Thank you very
much. It is a great honor, indeed, to have Grandfathers 1 and 2 with us, and Robert Ghost Wolf
in the Black Hills. We're talking about Hopi prophecy, and when we come back, we'll try to press
for some details as best we can. I'm Art Bell. This is "Coast-to-Coast AM."

AB: What you're hearing, now, as far as I know, has never been done on national radio, before.
So, listen very carefully. Let's go back to the Black Hills and see if Robert Ghost Wolf is still here.
Are you there, Robert?

GW: We're still here.

AB: Okay, good and back to Phoenix, Arizona and Grandfather One and Two. Grandfather Two,
are you there?

G2: Yes.

AB: What we would like to do, if it's possible, is to ask Grandfather One if he can give us any
details of what is going to happen, here on Earth, with this prophecy. What is coming? Any
specific details at all?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi language.

G2: Actually, there are a few that he thinks are important things that will be coming up pretty
shortly. There's one thing for sure that we are going to come upon is that World War III
will take place....and starvation is definitely a part of this thing, where we will hit starvation. The
weather change, itself, it's erratic, right now, and it's not what it should be. This weather climate,
itself, it's actually taking care of the crops already in a way that we're losing it. That's part know.....leading us into starvation because the crops will not produce.

GW: Do they know that you were just able to plant the corn up in Hopi land? Just a few days
ago, like a week or so ago because of the weather?

G2: Yes. People have just started to do those things and it comes up but the winds are drying
them up and the weather has been erratic, like I said, and it's been very cold. It's
know, actually....they get frost bitten. It's kind of like a frost bitten effect on it that it burns it up.

AB: Yes. Yes, we are having the same thing here in Nevada. A kind of a frost bite. You are
exactly right. We are having the same thing, here, with the things that we have planted in the
ground, in Nevada. As though they were frost bitten but, I think, affected by the winds, as well.

G2: Yes.

AB: Now, these are three things: weather change, mass starvation and the third world war.
Would you please ask Grandfather if the weather changes are the beginning of these
changes.....if what we have seen now, with the weather, is the beginning and, of course, we're
going to want to ask how soon these other changes, he thinks, will happen.

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Yes, these are the signs of, you know, the changes and that also part of it is, you know, right
now we're having problems with crickets which is a part of these prophecies where they would
come in hoards and they will destroy the crops, also, and that is happening, also.

GW: You're having that in Nevada, aren't you?

AB: Yes, we are. In Southern Nevada we are having that and, apparently, throughout large
portions of the Southwest we are having that.....yes, indeed. So then, these weather changes are
the beginning?

G2: Yes.

AB: When does Grandfather think the very serious parts of the prophecies, another world war
and mass starvation......when will these begin to manifest? How far away from these are we?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Well, it's been said that there is no exact time and date for these take
place but the year 2000 is a ......I would say.....that is a close approximation of the time that all of
this will start to take place. The teaching from the Elders was that they talked about that
everything will happen at once but, when they say these things, they put it in a form that, you
know, they say it's going to all happen at once but it's not exactness of happening at once. It will
happen but they will, you know, fall pretty much short from the other, following , it's like a
domino effect. This is, you know, when one thing happens then the other will fall into place. But,
you know, it will be in a short time from one another so this is what Grandfather was talking

GW: Are we talking within the next two years?

Bell: Well, he seemed to the year 2000. I guess this would be a first question....if there is
a way to phrase this. Is the weather change, that we now have, the first domino?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: It's been known that this had happened a long time ago but, in our prior world, it happened
before, you know, the same things that we had gone through. The teachings were that we were
not supposed to follow in the same pattern and try to keep ourselves from going astray from our
teachings. These weather patterns that we talked about and cataclysms that take place, are not
really set in a fashion that any person could say that, 'Okay, the winds are going to do
it this year and the next year will be fires and the following year will be earthquakes, you know.'
Also, he's saying that it's not exactly his words that that is the way that it will take place but he
knows that these are signs and they are readily available. All the signs are out there. Anyone can
see that, that it is taking place and it's only going to get bigger.

AB: Grandfather said 'other worlds' or 'other civilizations' and that this has happened before.
Now, did Grandfather mean by that that men have walked on the Earth before and that great the one we are now talking about.....came and wiped them out and man
started again. Is that what Grandfather meant?

G2: Yes.

GW: I have a question, if I may? There's a lot of talk, out now, and a lot of theories and a lot of
prophecies about these changes having dramatic effects on the configurations of the land
masses.....that they will be tremendous, cataclysmic changes. Does the Hopis
see this as happening in that manner? Will there be very dramatic Earth changes and will cause
the face of the Earth, as we know it, to change dramatically?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi tongue.

G2: Ah, yes. The Earth changes will take place in such a way, you know, that this whole planet,
here, will become a different type of planet because of the changes in itself. It has happened
before, as we mentioned earlier, that it did happen before that they went through these changes
and they was taught they we weren't supposed to go back to the same routine that we had gone
through in the past life. That was the corruption that we were going through....what we're going
through, today. There is so much corruption, out there. These were the things that led us to these
things and even animals, insects, all of these things will all turn around on us and, you know,
they're going to lead us to the same things again.

GW: So, we're repeating history.

G2: Yes. Even though it can be your own pet, it can turn against you.

AB: The animals will turn against us. Already, I have talked to many experts.....animal
experts....who are saying that animal attacks, all across North America, are increasing many,
many fold. So, this could be the beginning of that.

G2: Yes.

Bell: Alright, we are close to another break but I would like to ask Grandfather if there will be
any difference in the way the people in the cities.....the great cities of America and the
World....Los Angeles, New York, Chicago.....will feel these changes and the people in remote
areas like New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and the Dakota where Robert is now? Will there be a
big difference?

G2: In the changes?

AB: Yes.

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

AB: Alright, I must break in here, Grandfather. We must take a break, now. When we come back,
we will look for the answer to that question. Alright?

G2: Okay.

AB: Good morning. I am Art Bell, and if you're joining us at this hour, we're involved in the
middle of something unprecedented on national talk radio, no question about that. In the Black
Hills of South Dakota, we have Robert Ghost Wolf. In the area of Phoenix, Arizona, we have
Grandfather 1 and Grandfather 2. These are two Hopi Elders, and we are asking questions about
Earth changes. Thus far, we have determined that they are close, that the weather-pattern
changes are part of it, that the weather is due to change a great deal more, that there will be
starvation and World War III. This is Hopi prophecy that you're listening to everybody and in
addition to that, we've asked about the cities and the country, and massive Earth changes. In
other words, changes of continental locations, and that would also appear to be in the offing. We
are going to continue to ask questions for as long as we're able. I am Art Bell and this is "Coastto-
Coast AM," so stand by.


AB: My website is down, so if you're trying to get in it will be futile until we get this squared
away. First, back to Robert Ghost Wolf in the Black Hills of South Dakota. For those who have
just joined, we are not using names other than Grandfather 1 and Grandfather 2, two Hopi
Elders from the Hopi Sinom. The reason we're not using names, again, Uh Robert?..please.

GW: There have been many threats to these Elders, who are having the courage to come out and
speak these prophecies to the world, for various reasons. We are trying to keep them and their
families safe, and also keep them from being inundated by harassment from people who feel,
perhaps, that these messages should not be shared with everyone in the world, which is not their
opinion. This is why they are here now talking to us. I just got news that OUR website is down.

AB: YOUR website is down, too.

GW: If people want to get more information about these prophecies, I have a number that they
can call to get the books that have at least 200 of these prophecies in them. That's 1-800-905-8367.
There are operators standing by right now, because of what happened to the website. OR they
can call the Wolf Lodge office in Washington State at 1-509-465-1606.

AB: That's 1-509-465-1606. It's odd that your site and my site are both down. I think it's trafficrelated.
All right, now back to Phoenix, Arizona. Grandfather 1, the question was, all of these
changes including a world war?..uh, will there be a different effect in the cities than there is in
the country?

GF2: A different effect in the cities?

AB: Yes. In other words, will there be more trouble in the cities? America's large cities or the
world's large cities?..with these changes?

GF2: {Asks GF1?} Yes, in the big cities, it will effect a lot. You know, how much corruption there
will be within the cities. Also, the people themselves have to be aware of all of these things that
will take place, so they must change, too. But, he's not asking anyone to follow him in the way he
put himself on the path he is on. He is not asking anyone to follow him in that. It is up to the
individual to make that decision for him/herself as to which direction they want to go. When
you make that choice for yourself, what you want to do with your life, you don't blame anybody
else for your own actions, for what you do. If something happens to you along the way, then you
are not going to say that you were forced into it. These are the things that he had looked into
also. That's why he's saying that he's not asking anyone to follow him in the way he's leading
himself. He's only giving out advice that this is what they should do. They should start changing
themselves and going back to the old ways of living simple lives, of taking care of themselves
from the land that is available to them, and from the food that they grow. These are the things
that will help you along the way when you come to your hard times. So, the people must make
these decisions for themselves.

AB: All right. There are many that I have interviewed, many others who see the future, who say
that our Sun is beginning to change and that it is causing some of these changes here on Earth.
Does Grandfather know anything about that?

GF2: {Asks?} From these teachings that were given to him, he has understood that the solar axis
itself, of the Sun, is going to change. The places that normally have cold weather will have hot
weather. You know, the weather itself is going to get even worse. The temperatures are going to
rise even higher, and that will burn up the crops and dry up the Earth, so nothing will be able to
grow. It is true that the Sun itself is being affected by this also.

AB: In farmer's fields around the world, in many, many places in the world,? a matter of fact
even tonight, for the first time ever in the state of Virginia, there is a very complex crop circle.
These are strange formations in farmer's crops. Does Grandfather know anything about what
these may be, and why they happen?

GF2: {Asks?} He has heard about these. He has seen pictures of the crop circles that have been
out there. These are, in his own mind, teachings also, and they're telling us what is becoming of
our time and where it is leading us. He has had a chance to look at a few of them, and he does
understand what they're trying to put through?..the message in the circle itself. It is telling us
that we are very close to it and what we need to do in order to get ourselves back on track, and
the other end of it?..when he says, the other end of it, where you get to see all the things happen
and live again?..for a new life to start.

AB: OK. Uh, then this is a good question. We have many strange machines that fly in our sky
that we call UFOs. What do the Hopi have to say regarding these kinds of things, that have been
seen to fly in the sky, what the Hopi may have called, "Star Brothers who have come from the

GF2: {Asks?} I'd like to add a little to what he just said. This is referring to the question prior to
this one. I didn't finish it out. He said that the crop circles were put there by outside, like the
UFO people, but he's not sure just who put those crop circles there. But, to get back to the
question that is the last one here, the teachings from the Elders, he said, yes they know about the
possibilities of other life forms on other planets. The "Old Ones," the old people, the "Old Ones"
way back had the knowledge and know-how of getting around, and they have traveled to other
planets before and they know how it is out there, if there is life on other planets and they DO
know that there is life on other planets and what planets are not livable. But, they don't know the
exactness of how they will be helping us out or they will be going against us. They just know
that when we are getting close to the end times, we will be visited by people from out there, and
we're not aware whether they're going to help us or go against us. We do know that they have
high technology to see what is going on.

AB: We have exactly the same problem. We're trying to understand the nature of who these
beings are. All right, we are at the bottom of the hour, so everybody can relax for a few moments.
We are being honored with the presence of two Hopi Elders, Grandfather 1 who is speaking
Hopi and Grandfather 2 who is translating for us. They're in the Phoenix, Arizona area. In the
Black Hills of South Dakota, we have Robert Ghost Wolf and we are discussing the
details?..specific details?..of Hopi prophecy, something many did not want done on national
radio or national anything. I'm Art Bell and this is "Coast-to-Coast AM."

AB: Alright, back now to my guests, Robert Ghost Wolf in the Black Hills and Grandfather One
and Two, in Phoenix, Arizona. Here is, I guess, a hard question but one that I should ask. I
understand that Native Elders speak about prophecy through the tradition of story telling and I
guess there are stories that relate to something called the 'Purifier'. Is there some way that
Grandfather could explain to us a story about what the 'Purifier' is and, perhaps, a little bit of the
story. Is that on okay question?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: The story about that is that we do know that we did have a brother who was set out and he
is out there and with that brother and, from the Society of the One Horned Clan, they made a
pact that....from the One Horned Clan and the Society and the brother had make like's a
law that the purifying time would come. This was already done, it was like it had been already
organized and it was, you know, established.

GW: Like a contract.

G2: The stories that there will be come a time that whoever is going to come and, you know, to
purify the people.....I'm having a hard time, here.

AB: I understand. It is hard to translate this.

G2: Ya.

GW: Sometimes there are not words that translate to English.

AB: I understand. Maybe I could ask this. What is the 'Purifier'? Is the 'Purifier', is it the Hopi
Prophecy or is the 'Purifier' something specific? Is it a comet or is it something from the heavens
or how may we know what the 'Purifier' is?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: The 'Purifier' is mentioned is the other brother that was sent forth, out to the East, and this
was the teaching that he had.....that he was sent off to the East and he would reach the point of
origin where the Sun would come out from. When he reached that place, then he would touch
his head to the Earth and he would return back to us. When this, you know, time comes that's
the end of....the end times....time for a purification time when he will return back. He is the one
that has a way, you know....the weapons or the artillery and he is the Big Brother so he
would know what to do and how he would help us and how we would go about in having to
make us understand. His job is to make us understand and try to get ourselves to behave in the
way that we're supposed to and, if we don't, then the one from the West will come and they are
the ones that are going to come with much force. He, the 'Purifier', the one that went to the East,
is supposed to be big enough to take on the ones that are coming from the West. That is going to
become like the Third World War.

AB: Third World War, is the 'Purifier'. Alright, he has talked much....Grandfather has talked
much about corruption. In our cities and in our small towns.....and I do not know about your
reservations.....but in our cities and small towns, we have, now, many, many stories of children
going to school and shooting other children and teachers and their parents. Things that we
cannot seem to understand, at all. Does Grandfather have any idea why these things seem to be
happening in our society?

GW: We also might want to see if Grandmother might like to speak on this subject.

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: You know, in the cities itself, what's going on.....what you mentioned.....yes, these are part of
the teachings and the prophesies that, when we get to these end times, you know, we're all going
to start going corrupt. Even, you know, the children because they don't really believe in
anything, even what we're trying to teach them and what we try to talk to them about. You
know, they look at you but they have a different opinion about these things and they don't
believe that. It's hard to try to teach the young ones and even grown-ups, even adults, are in the
same situation. It's not just the children who are in this kind of situation, right now, it's even the
adults who are in that kind of situation and, you know, there's a lot of corruption in this way, but
we do know that these things would start to take place in the school systems and all over where
even young children would start to take lives, like that, because it is just a corruption of the mind
from the way things are going, right now.

Grandfather One speaks to Grandfather Two.

G2: Even the children will go against their own parents. These are the things that have been
taught. They're all going to start turning against their own parents and that's what's happening,
that's what you're seeing out there.

AB: Yes, we are. Grandfather talked about corruption. Is it reasonable to ask this? Could this be
happening to us, also, because we have reached a fantastic level of technology and have changed
from spiritual to materialistic human beings, where our technological knowledge exceeds our
spiritual wisdom? Can you translate that?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Yes. He feels that, that is happening, there, that we're misleading ourselves from that, from
the material side of it and walking away from the spiritual sense of it.

AB: Has this, also, occurred with the Hopi Nation? It is occurring, of course, in this
the the small towns.....this move to materialism, but has it also been occurring within
the Hopi Nation?

G2: Yes, it is happening there, too. Yes.

AB: Do Grandfather's people believe that it is worthwhile stockpiling food and water or are these
changes going to be so big that is simply, really doesn't make much difference, one way or the

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Ya, he does know that it is known that we should, you know, stockpile our goods....our dry
goods.....and it's been taught from long time.....way back. That's why we should never forget,
you know, about farming and how to take care of ourselves because you never know when it
will hit and that's why they teach us these things, as young. Also, to answer the end part of your
question, it is worth doing that. When the time comes, it may not be, you know, such a good idea
to do that but it's worth trying to do something like that because they say that, you know, the
time in their limitation is at least a month to two months that we will be without food and water
so we need to store away as much as we can for that amount of time. We have different clans
who are supposed to take care of these situations. About the food items and things like that,
there are certain clans that do have that power and authority over that but the majority of the
people, out home, they have walked away from their teachings and they've walked away from
their spiritual side of it. They've forgotten that and.....I guess I could say that they really haven't
forgotten it but they've just ignored it and now they will have to suffer the consequences.

AB: Alright, I think that we probably don't have time for another translated question before the
top of the hour so, hold on in Phoenix. We're very honored to have you with us. Robert, is there
anything that you can think of that we should be asking when we come back?

GW: I would suggest that we ask Grandmother if she would like to speak on some of these

AB: Alright.

GW: I think that would be a good thing and, perhaps, we could ask her again about the children
or what we can do for our children and then possibly go into what is meant by the emergence of
the 5th World and what we're going to.

AB: And, also, I guess we might endeavor to ask whether Hopi Prophecy tells us anything about
what is going to happen after the Purification, after the changes.

GW: What will life be like, then?

AB: That's right, so that is exactly what we'll do. Alright, everybody, I'm Art Bell and I don't
think this has every been done before and we're trying to do it, tonight. You are listening to two
Hopi Elders from the Sinom, in Arizona. You're listening to Robert Ghost Wolf who is in the
Black Hills of South Dakota. I'm Art Bell, in Pahrump.

AB: Alright, back now to Robert Ghost Wolf in South Dakota, in the Black Hills. Robert, are you

GW: Yes, I'm here.

AB: Alright, you suggested that we speak with Grandmother about the problem with the
children. So, let us do exactly that and ask Grandmother, if she is there, the same question. We
have so many children, now, that seem to be turning against their parents....turning against their
teachers.....and turning against other children, in fact, killing them. Some people have looked at
our children and said that they seem like human beings with no soul.....with no spirit....within
them. What is happening to us?

GM: Okay, I'll try my best. Well, nobody teach the children, anymore, about the spiritual
pathway so they're turning against one another. The mothers are so busy working, you know,
they teach their children at home so they're being left out and they no longer get than love from a
mother like they're supposed to. It's really sad to see what is going on out there.

AB: Do you also believe, as we have heard from Grandfather One, that Hopi Prophecy is now
telling us that the end times are very, very near.

GM: Yes, uh huh. Yes, that is true.

AB: Robert, anything?

GW: Grandmother, what words can we share with some of the mothers that are out there
watching these conditions? There are so many mothers who seem to wonder what they can do
and how they can help their children. Do you have any words that you can share with these

GM: Well, praying....first is praying.....and to go through that path with the Creator. We have
forgotten how to walk that path so they need to get on that path to survive.

AB: Okay, that seems quite clear to me. Alright, then, Grandmother, thank you very, very much.
Thank you for coming on.

GM: Uh huh.

AB: And I think, now, that we need to go back to Grandfather because I want to ask the
Grandfather....he has talked to us much about what is the prophecy of what is coming and
coming very soon. So, it is a very important question, I believe, to pose and the question
is.....after the purification, after the purifying, after the changes, after the war.....what will the
world be like?

Grandfather One and Grandfather Two converse in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: Well, the outcome of this, after that purifying time, the lifestyle will change....more or less.
Those people or those ones that have been working, you know, with the evil or and the dark side
are going to be eliminated. Only those that are walking on the one path and believing in that one
and with a good heart, those are the ones that are going to continue this and there will be
some....what you would say....there might be some people who have the minds that are like the
scientists that can develop things. Right now we are not supposed to be taking the minerals out
of the Earth for any reason at all, you know. Only certain minerals but only for the amount that
you need, that's what was taught. But other than that, we're not supposed to reap the Earth, you
know, and tear it up like that...what we're doing now. Like intermarriage, it's not supposed to be
done. Only after purification time will intermarriage be possible, you know, that we can start to
marry other people.....other walks. This is, you know, when the people will come together after
purification time and all walks, that have been spared, will come together and one language will
be spoken. There will be one law and it has been taught to say that, you know, some people say
that it's gonna be their language or it's going to be the Hopi language that's going to be spoken
but this is, you know, something that is not very known as to what language will be spoken but
there will be one language that will be spoken. Togetherness is what will come about where
we're going to come back to what was once before. What Adam and Eve came upon was, you
know, was the Garden of Eden where everything will be flourishing, even, you know, the
flowers and the vegetation. Everything will be back to normal but from thenceforth we are
allowed to do these things and we can take the minerals out of the Earth, to use for a purpose,
and not to really destroy it, though.

Grandfather One comments

G2: And all the....he mentioned, also, which I forgot to mention......was the altars and the shrines,
of the different societies, will be eliminated and all those will be, you know, have to be put away
because they will no longer have power and authority over anything so these will be eliminated.

AB: Will there be a single power or a single authority or a single law or will everybody simply
understand, inside themselves, that we are now one? There are many who talk, in our world,
about a single world government.....a single world ruler. Is that what Grandfather is speaking of?

G2: Yes, but not in the fashion that we understand it, now......what they're talking about....the
New World Order. See, that's more or less in a dictatorial form but this is done in a way, you
know, where freedom is an essence.

AB: Alright. Grandfather spoke about World War III. I would like to be clear about this. Does he
see men killing men.....humans killing humans.....or does he just see explosions and fire? Is that
what he calls World War III?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: What you had mentioned about which one is, you know, the one that's going to be...he said
that the taking of lives, you know, this is what will take place because it will be like an
elimination of good from the bad. He mentioned about Hitler, you know, that Hitler had done a
lot....done away with a lot of people, too, and when that took place, he said that many of the
people were....many of the Hopi had realized this and they were glad that this took place
because it was a teaching that took place. It was trying to teach the people that this is what is
going to happen, see, so look at this as more or less as a warning that this will take place, again.

AB: A warning of a Holocaust.

G2: Yes. So, there will be lives lost. A lot of lives will be lost.

AB: Does Grandfather understand how some lives will be saved while other lives will be spared
with so much fire and war? I guess the question is, will it be like an Anti-Christ which some
people think will arise, our world, an Anti-Christ. I don't know if the Hopi have any
similar prophecy regarding one who will come, like Hitler, again.

Grandfathers One and Two converse in the Hopi Tongue.

AB: Grandfather, I'm sorry, I must interrupt. Please apologize for me. We are on a break, now. If
he could finish the answer and we will get the answer when we come back. Would that be

G2: Okay.

AB: Okay, thank you. Breaking right here. This is Coast to Coast with Art Bell.

AB: Alright, we are back now with our guests and we had asked a question about the
'Purifier'....about what we call the Anti-Christ and whether the Hopi have or understand there to
be such a being, coming. Do you have that answer, now, Grandfather Two?

G2: Yes. He mentioned that, yes, the Anti-Christ, that there is, you know, that he is coming again
but there have been a lot of people that have walked away from that.....from the teachings and
walked away from their spiritual path. They went and decided to do something else, you know,
rather than having to walk that and he will come in again and he is the one that is going to set us
straight, again, on this thing here.

Grandfather One speaks to Grandfather Two in Hopi.

G2: The teachings are that the Creator, itself, what we talked about....the's the same
thing. What life that we're supposed to lead, we've strayed away from it what he....we told him
that we would follow him in the same way and, if we walk away from these teachings then, he
was the one that was living that and walking that. Then he gave us a choice to do that, also, and
if we disregard everything that was taught to us and we walked away from it. He will come back
in and step in and take it over again back for himself because he had mentioned that he was the
first and he will be the last. So, this is what will happen.

AB: Alright, I have a question. People are sending me faxes and this is a fax I have received.
"Given that we are in the end times, and that there will be much turmoil, violence, death and there anything that we, the living, can do to prepare our souls for the long, long
path that we will all walk down after our physical lives end?"

Grandfathers One and Two confer in the Hopi language.

G2: Ya, our teachings that were given to us, we've strayed away from it and how we are
supposed to, you know, alleviate a lot of some of these things and it's going to be too late for us
to try to turn around and walk that spiritual path because we are taught that we are supposed to
be on that path from way back. We should have been changing ourselves quite a number of
years back because it doesn't take over night for a person to walk a path....the chose
path. Also, it doesn't take over night for the Creator to believe in you. He has to look at you, you
know, your heart is the thing that has to change and it's not going to change over night. These
are the things that are very hard to change on a person and so right now we look at it that it is
already too late to start changing.

AB: Okay, I think that is very clear.....too late. May I ask about the kachinas. What are the
kachinas and what do they mean to us, today?

Grandfathers One and Two talk back and forth in the Hopi Tongue.

G2: These spirits that we talk about, are in a sense, the teachings but we can't go into detail of
who they are.....what they are. I mean, you know, because only an initiated person should know
about the knowledge of these but the only thing we can say is that they are spirits and that they
are out there and they have their own home. Throughout the years, our elders of the different
villages, you know, have been working with the spirits and making the prayer feathers for them
and asking for their power to come in and bring in the rain for the crops because we don't have
any way of irrigation our fields. We live in a desert area. This is a chosen area because the Hopi
had been know to survive in an arid place. Hopi has been know that they would strive and
survive, even in a desert place where there is no water really available for those kinds of things.
So, they ask, through prayer, to ask their crops to survive and this is a strong sense of spirituality
of the Hopi.

AB: And it is to these kachinas that you pray?

G2: Yes. They come in the form of clouds.

AB: Would you ask Grandfather, this. Earlier we asked him about the Sun and he said the Sun
would shift on its axis. There are many who think these Earth changes that are so imminent, soon.....will mean that the Earth will also change on its axis in response to what the
Sun does. Now, the question is, is there anything in Hopi prophecy about changes in the pattern
of the stars because that is what we would see after an axis change here on Earth? Would the
stars look different?

Grandfathers One and Two converse.

G2: Yes, he believes that the axis of the Earth itself will change, also.....shift....and that will cause
a lot of Earth changes, itself, also. About the stars that you mentioned, there have been a lot of
stories about these things and they pertain to a lot of what happened with the stars, too. He says
he doesn't know exactly but it's true that a lot of what happened with the stars and different
things....the patterns.....are true and now they talk about these things as just like stories and like
fairy tale stores but most of them are true. He doesn't know exactly what will take place out
there, again, if that should every happen.

AB: Alright. Would you ask Grandfather to give us some few things that we should all watch
and look for to happen in the next say.....18 months.....or year and a half.

Grandfathers One and Two confer.

G2: Okay, he says that these earthquakes are imminent but there is no real date as to when these
will take place. That big earthquake that was supposed to hit California had been altered, in a
way, by the Tibetans who had heard about that and they did a lot of prayers there and they
helped in altering the intensity of the earthquake that took place in California. That is, you know,
something that we should look for is a large earthquake that would take place. It's going to be
real big. It's going to be devastating.

AB: Alright, we are running out of time and I would like to say it has been a very, very great
honor and you will need to translate once we're off, for me, to have you and to have Grandfather
One and Grandmother on the program, this morning. I would hope that, someday, if we have
the time, that we could do this, again. It has been a very great honor and this message has gone
out to many, many millions of people and we will all hope that the message is heard and that
somebody......individually.....many somebodies.....will begin to make changes. We will pray for
this. I want to thank you for being on the air with me, this morning. So, after we're off, will you
translate all that for Grandfather?

G2: Okay.

AB: Again, for all your help, I want to thank you so very, very much.

G2: Okay, thank you again for having us on your show.